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I want to change the default template for all songs.

Presenter Question
We have been using Presenter for some time but with 'None' selected for the lyrics template. So every song downloaded from Song Select is in the original font. If only we had known that we should have designed our own default template for the font size and colour, etc. before creating a song database.
I found this in the Help Docs - "In the Presenter settings, you can change the default template so that all songs added to your library moving forward will adopt your desired template."
However, I would really like to be able to change the default template for all of the existing songs without editing each one individually. Is there a way to do this to all of the songs in one go?
Posted by Alec
Hello Alec,

You can edit the items in your service and set a template for all your slides at once using the Bulk Edit feature in Presenter. We have a support article on how to do this. https://www.worshiptools.com/en-us/docs/18-bulk-editor
Posted by Matthew
Thanks for a quick response. However, this doesn't provide the solution for this issue. The Bulk Edit feature only applies to the items in a service and hasn't got anything about changing a font size, or colour, or anything about the appearance of the selected songs. It appears to allow the change to completely different lyrics.
I am looking for a means to adjust the lyrics font and apply this change to every song in the library in one go. Is this even possible in Presenter?
Posted by Alec
Hello Alec,

You are correct — updating the default template will only affect songs you add to Presenter moving forward. At this time, Presenter does not support applying a new template to songs that already exist in your library.
I appreciate you bringing this up, and I’ll make sure your feedback is passed along to our development team.
Posted by Matthew
This has to be addressed. You have to be able to set a template to existing songs or imported songs. You the template should automatically put the page breaks in so you don't have to reimport the song to make the changes.
Posted by Mark
You can now apply a song template to all songs in a service when you use the "Template Override" feature when editing a service item.
Posted by Matthew
I agree with the original poster. If only I had known before importing all songs that I ought to think of layout before import. Only after I imported songs I can start testing Presenter and find out that all songs.

This is such an unnessecary design feature. I really fail to understand why a song would need a layout of its own. We never ever pick different layouts for the text of songs. We never even used a specific background to a song, but I could imagine situations where that might be usefull.

In our church we always use a certain background and layout per service and in the current situation we have to adjust layout everytime again. I brings a lot of frustration, especially when the worship leader chooses to play a song that was not on the original playlist or the preacher requests a specific song at the altar call.

Please kill this "song-owned" layout feature altogether, or make it an option.
Posted by Michiel
Michael, do you really use the same layout for every song? That sounds strange to me. While my church uses the same layout for about 70-80% of our songs, there are some backgrounds that demand something different. And yes, we tend to use the same background for a particular song, regardless of what service it's in. For example, "What a Friend We Have in Jesus" uses a background that has a monochrome picture of Jesus' face on the left. Since Jesus is on the left, we right-justify the lyrics. We also usually shorten the lines (making 2 lines out of each original line) so that there are no words on top of Jesus. We have other backgrounds that need the lyrics on the left. Our normal layout is to center the lyrics horizontally. We do not have a visual theme for each service; we're not that organized. And truthfully, we like the variety of our current approach.

WorshipTools is in the difficult position of creating a tool that will work for everyone, not just folks that do things a certain way. It does seem like it would be nice to be able to apply a certain theme to every song in the song library. We recently replaced our 4:3 projector with a 16:10 one, which has required reformatting every song. We've been doing them one-by-one as they are used, but it's a tedious process. It would be so much easier to apply our default layout to every song, then change the ones that need something different as we get to them.

But if WorshipTools took away the ability for different songs to have different layouts, we'd have to switch to another program. That would not work for us at all.
Posted by Nancy
It is possible (and often desirable) to create several song templates. This is an excellent example of when that is needed.
Simply create your main template, and give it a suitable name (My Church Default, for example). Set it up with the default font, size, colour, alignment and any borders or text shadows.
Then alter the alignment to left and save with a different name. Repeat for the right alignment.
Once you attach the template to the song, it is stored in the song library with the template. It is probably best to edit the line lengths manually, so you can choose a sensible place for the line break. But again, once this has been done, it is stored in the layout in the song library.
It is not possible to attach a media background to the song as a default, as the media background seems to be an attribute of the service rather than the song itself.
Posted by Paul

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